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	<description>We all need some reeducation to see and to live like Jesus</description>
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		<title>By: The Theology of Harry Potter &#124; Holiness Reeducation</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-2/#comment-7730</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Theology of Harry Potter &#124; Holiness Reeducation]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jul 2011 14:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Snape as the alternative Judas &#8211; This is one theme that really intrigues me. A couple of years ago I blogged about Peter Rollins book The Fidelity of Betrayal. In that he looks at Jesus&#8217; call for us to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Snape as the alternative Judas &#8211; This is one theme that really intrigues me. A couple of years ago I blogged about Peter Rollins book The Fidelity of Betrayal. In that he looks at Jesus&#8217; call for us to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lorencopot</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-2/#comment-6894</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lorencopot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Dec 2010 05:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How I can download documents from WikiLeaks? 
Hih you hear me??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I can download documents from WikiLeaks?<br />
Hih you hear me??</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-2/#comment-4671</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shay hasn&#039;t this already happened. Do people really base their theology on any kind of top down teaching? Most Christians I know have a hodge podge of theological convictions that rarely line up with anyone&#039;s systematic theology. 

I think this is one of the consequences of the Reformation. Ultimately we place our theological authority within ourselves. 

The question is whether a betrayal of the structures we think will prevent this will actually help it more? If we are willing to engage in theological discourse with a larger breadth of the church won&#039;t this counteract the very thing you are talking about? Or at least give us a better shot at it?

In my own life there is no question that the best thing the could have prepared me for being a Nazarene pastor is to go and learn from as many people as I could that weren&#039;t Nazarenes. This background has greatly improved my ability to understand my denominations theology, baggage, strengths and weaknesses. I feel much better prepared to help the teach and impact in whatever way God allows, the future of our denomination because I was not limited to the voices within my denomination.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shay hasn&#8217;t this already happened. Do people really base their theology on any kind of top down teaching? Most Christians I know have a hodge podge of theological convictions that rarely line up with anyone&#8217;s systematic theology. </p>
<p>I think this is one of the consequences of the Reformation. Ultimately we place our theological authority within ourselves. </p>
<p>The question is whether a betrayal of the structures we think will prevent this will actually help it more? If we are willing to engage in theological discourse with a larger breadth of the church won&#8217;t this counteract the very thing you are talking about? Or at least give us a better shot at it?</p>
<p>In my own life there is no question that the best thing the could have prepared me for being a Nazarene pastor is to go and learn from as many people as I could that weren&#8217;t Nazarenes. This background has greatly improved my ability to understand my denominations theology, baggage, strengths and weaknesses. I feel much better prepared to help the teach and impact in whatever way God allows, the future of our denomination because I was not limited to the voices within my denomination.</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-4670</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 15:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the following questions and thoughts make assumptions and jump to conclusions that are definately up for debate:

Doesn&#039;t this tie in with the willingness to betray denomination authority by clergy?  Is this mindset coming bottom up or top down? I guess my concern is that as clergy become less tied to denominational loyalty, laity will be less committed to any one theolgical perspective creating a pick and choose theology that is poorly informed by Church history and scriptural understanding.  Where is authority found for the average joe when those they have turned to as sources of authority are no longer there or not standing on set authorities?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the following questions and thoughts make assumptions and jump to conclusions that are definately up for debate:</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t this tie in with the willingness to betray denomination authority by clergy?  Is this mindset coming bottom up or top down? I guess my concern is that as clergy become less tied to denominational loyalty, laity will be less committed to any one theolgical perspective creating a pick and choose theology that is poorly informed by Church history and scriptural understanding.  Where is authority found for the average joe when those they have turned to as sources of authority are no longer there or not standing on set authorities?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-4669</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is probably a grouping of all of those things. At the same time Americans have become more spiritual but less religious, they have also become less educated as to the differences between denominations, and individual churches have started to cross denominational lines with styles, methodology, and affiliation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is probably a grouping of all of those things. At the same time Americans have become more spiritual but less religious, they have also become less educated as to the differences between denominations, and individual churches have started to cross denominational lines with styles, methodology, and affiliation.</p>
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		<title>By: Shay</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-4667</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s an interesting article about denominational loyalty.  It brings up many good discussion topics.  The questions I see in it is this:  What is causing the lack of loyalty?  Is it ignorance of specific theological stance?   Growing unity between denominations?  Pure consumerist mentality?  Something else?
http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_11637674]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an interesting article about denominational loyalty.  It brings up many good discussion topics.  The questions I see in it is this:  What is causing the lack of loyalty?  Is it ignorance of specific theological stance?   Growing unity between denominations?  Pure consumerist mentality?  Something else?<br />
<a href="http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_11637674" rel="nofollow">http://www.sltrib.com/faith/ci_11637674</a></p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-4635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 22:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey...Gretchen needs an avatar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey&#8230;Gretchen needs an avatar.</p>
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		<title>By: MM</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-4634</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, you look better in white than black, I think.  Remember...the edge you are not.  sorry.

I have been thinking of you some this week as I read the book &quot;Preacher, can you hear us listening?&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, you look better in white than black, I think.  Remember&#8230;the edge you are not.  sorry.</p>
<p>I have been thinking of you some this week as I read the book &#8220;Preacher, can you hear us listening?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Gretchen</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-4631</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gretchen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 17:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I DO NOT like the new look.  A little to dark for my taste!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I DO NOT like the new look.  A little to dark for my taste!</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie</title>
		<link>http://holinessreeducation.com/2009/02/05/the-fidelity-of-betrayal/comment-page-1/#comment-4630</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 00:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nope.  Got to be something with food, I think.  Maybe Pastor con queso.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  Got to be something with food, I think.  Maybe Pastor con queso.</p>
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